Well Bubba this is the USA and we are better then those “oppressive” societies and has nothing to do with gun ownership. The USA will always be better.

What is your solution Bubba? Throw something out there. What’s wrong with treating guns like car ownership that will keep the right to bear arms intact while making it harder for the idiots to get them or keep them. It’s only a part of a solution. None will be perfect but if we don’t try something it will only get worse.

Do your “mussel loading guns and rifles” shoot seafood? You should be embarrassed. Unfortunately the level of knowledge demonstrated by this editorial suggests a systematically misinformed and superficial mind in a snit of vacuous outrage. One seldom sees so many entertainment media derived stereotypes packed into one bag. I suggest you learn something about the gun rights movement and the millions of people who constitute it before you resume blathering about an imagined “gun lobby.”

Val: Had a great but rather lengthy reply but accidentally lost it trying to post a link which proved to be “copyrighted”. I’ll not totally say the author of this item is 100% correct but he is much closer to understanding the problem and the solution than the anti gun gang. Do a google search for “Columbine Father Speaks to Congress”. Read it carefully. You will find some of the text in various “snoops” web sites but when you read through them they will confirm that the comments are actually correct…it is no myth. This is what the father has to say.
Now, I might add that the bomb that exploded in Blacksburg last night (?) is just an example that people will resort to whatever method they can when they are bent upon an evil deed. Seems odd to me that the news tonight reports this event as a “random criminal act”. Fortunately, no one was injured or killed but it’s only a matter of time until the social misfits come to realize that bombs are more dramatic, may kill/injure more people and draw more attention than guns. Least we forget OK City. The only thing I really fear is that society cannot protect itself FROM itself. Of course, those of you on the left have this compulsion to “do something”. I think the first step to a solution might be for you and your left wingers to step away from your efforts to “fix it”. There ARE some things which make some degree of common sence but we pro gun people are not going to give an inch because we know you eat away at the matter like cancer. Give an inch and you take more and more. I once did not object to some controls and increases in regulations. I did not oppose the Clinton AR ban. But you people just keep pounding and pounding even when it’s obvious you have no idea what the solution might be….”just do something”.
You push, we resist.

Bubba,

So you have all the guns you want but the twisted still use bombs instead of guns.

Lets have guns and bombs – now that’s the solution. Your thought process is that if you take away the guns the twisted will make bombs instead.

Don’t try to limit anything because there will just be another way to kill. That’s your plan for America?

You just don’t walk into a “bomb store” and buy a bomb Bubba. You can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun and you are against registering a gun. Not taking away your gun just registering it like a car. Why do you fear that?

Totally irrational subjective thinking, Val. Apparently you never bothered to look for and read the fathers comments. That’s the problem to solve. But like so many libs you apparently are not able to think for yourself but very able to pick up a banner idea tossed out by your lib heros and run with it. This dialogue looks to go no where but I’ll address two points. YES, eliminate guns and the twisted will find another vehicle to kill. Secondly, give me just one example, specifically, of what good registering a gun will accomplish. I’ll not count these two:
1. Employ thousands in govt admin jobs.
2. Generate revenue through the fees involved.
BTW, I “fear” the registration process because it is another step in your plan to eliminate firearms. Your comment tends to support my prior claim that give you people an inch, you take a mile. I don’t really “fear” the point you begin but rather the place you are going.

There are big benefits to registration of firearms and any fee would be to cover the cost. Heck make the DMV do it or there is already a concealed weapon database.

Registration will ensure WHO the legitimate owner of a gun is if it is stolen.

It will keep track of sales by individuals requiring a change in ownership be registered just like a car.

If law enforcement in the performance of their duties confronts someone in possession of a firearm they will ask for the registration. If they can’t produce it then the weapon is illegal and the weapon would be confiscated.

It would as alert law enforcement when someone is buying say 100 guns from different sources and 6000 rounds of ammunition.

These benefits are just for starters ..

Guess I expected as much. NOTHING you say lends to one ounce of “crime prevention” and is that not what it’s all about…crime prevention? Of course not! Or is it all about “being confiscated”. Your out of our league sweetie. Better check back with the libs and take on an easier issue. And oh BTW, are you proposing to register the purchase of ammunition as well? Need not respond. I held out some remote hope you were a well informed, educated but just misguided lib. Seems I was correct on only one account. The good news is you have awakened in me the need to stock up on 9mm. And I thibnk I’ll go out tomorrow and look for that Kimber Solo. Neat little lady pistol for a neat little lady.

Ya know, I had no intention of checking back in on this topic but just could not resist. As I said earlier, give and inch take a mile and your response above proves it. You start out with a single practice….”registration of firearms” and in the same breath you move to confiscation as well as an implied process to track ammunition purchases. I’ll probably post a few more tid bits on this scheme just for your enlightenment. I somehow feel compelled to try to make just one lib see the light. It’s a personal thing with me and you’re my lib, Val. Think I’ll be successful?

Gee Val, seems like all the links I try to post come back with a banner giving indication of being copyrighted. Is that something you impose on the blog. I seem to be able to cut and paste the links in emails without a problem. SO, look for and read an article by David Babat, “The Discriminatory History of Gun Control”. It’s on “DigitalCommons” at the University of Rhode Island. Read it and I’ll give you a test and if you pass, I’ll spring for lunch.

http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/srhonorsprog/140/

Needs investigation why you are getting that.

http://digitalcommons.uri.edu/srhonorsprog/140/

I can’t figure out the problem with links unless your provider is the problem. I linked with and without my admin account.

Anyway “The police were given the discretion on who they would grant permits to. This allowed them to deny the applications of those they deemed dangerous or undesirable.”

What does the “poor” being discriminated against have to do with registering a gun? If you are talking about the fee like with a car then the NRA can help the poor with a few dollars. Good grief you are reaching.

If you don’t have a registration for your car when pulled over you are fined and the car can be impounded. Again how would it keep you or the poor or minorities from owning a registered gun? If you plan to use it for illegal purpose for sure you wouldn’t want it registered. It keeps you from buying it registering it then “giving” or “selling” or “transporting” the gun(s) to criminals or out of state because the person who registered it would be held responsible for its use. It is used in a homicide … guess what YOU are just as responsible as the person you gave it too.

If they can keep a database for “payday loans” they can keep a database for gun purchases in a state and share it with other states. You are already subject to background checks for felons and parolees to keep “dangerous” people from getting guns.

Val, your Lib

Val, I’m beginning to wonder about my ability to change your views as you seem to miss so many BIG points. No fear of paying for your lunch however. Had you actually read the article and opened you mind you would have seen that the “poor” were only a historical group who were denied gun ownership rights. The thought does not connect to the “poor” of today in any manner. Moreover you would have realized that those with the power wanted to control those who were outside the power group. They may be or may have been poor but they also held views which were a threat to the power. Why did the King send troops to Concord???? To take the guns which provided the colonist the means to resist. Like the saying goes, “Gun control is not about guns but about control”. Just for fun, consider how the evolution of slavery may have been had slaves had ready easy access to arms. Why, they may have been able to end racial discrimination 300 years ago! (Probably not.)

You continue to point to ways to remove firearms from those who rightfully and legally possess them and yet to show one single idea of how registration will reduce crime. I’m getting impatient with this discussion.

BTW, you cannot impound my vehicle if it is not registered and Virginia law does not allow confiscation for failure to register although DMV does impose penalities for titling “late” (after 30 days of ownership I think), and just so you specifically understand “registeration” is a different process and requirement from “titling”. And neither process does anything to curtail theft or to otherwise break the law while in or using a vehicle. They are nothing more than a method of taxation, PERIOD. I’ll also add that current laws already allow confiscation of FIREARMS which are illegal OR are used in a crime OR are in possession of someone who is not lawfully permitted to possess them. So you libs plunk your magic twanger and presto, all the criminals will run out and register their guns. Very weak minded, Val. More to follow…

Just wanted to check a date for you before making the comment. The Gun Control act of 1968 requires, among other measures, that dealers, wholesalers and gun manufacturers keep records of production, distribution and sale of all guns. So that Kimber I got from Trader Jerry is already in a data base. If I happen to drop it while robbing the local 7-11 the authorities will know where to come after me by just checking the serial #. Of course if I obliterate the serial number, that is a felony also. Now if I sell it, they can still come to find out to whom it was sold. But really, all this data base does not matter to those bent upon “confiscation” and control.
BTW, gun makers have maintained records of sales going back for a 100 plus years although they were not required to do so. My 1873 Colt and 1873 Springfield both have letters from the makers as to the dates of production and where the guns went from the factory. Registration and data bases are useless imaginary inventions of gun “control” freeks. Say, how do you handle the fact that your Senate Majority leader had the endorsement of the NRA in the last election? Gotta make you squirm a bit, no?

Another shooting Bubba.

There is not a requirement for background check at gun shows or if you sell or give your gun to someone else. Needs to be a BIG fine and a felony to transfer a gun to someone else without paperwork to change ownership no matter how that is done.

Anyone not complying should be flagged in the database and prevented from buying a gun for one year (first offense) 10 years (second offense) and 3rd offense FOREVER.

The idea is to MAKE SURE those who are NOT law abiding do NOT get guns.

I read the article and it is irrelevant today. Everything you site is not relevant today.

“those with the power wanted to control those who were outside the power group”

POWER = NRA putting politicians in their pocket. All that money could do good in fighting crime but NO they give it to politicians. NRA is the most powerful lobby in the the country. THEY are who we need protection against.

But Val, I’m in the NRA. Do you need protection from me? Everything is irrelevant! No Val, the only thing irrelevant is that you libs want to ignore that pesky little constitution and define for me how I am controlled. Seems you are conviently overlooking the fact that a data base already exists and yet has done nothing to prevent crime. Still wondering how you get the already illegal owners to register the guns. Like the article said, crimeand criminals won’t obey your rules. So Val, is there any data, any rational, any logic that would even remotely cause you to change your views? Give me a “what if”….or an “if they did this___________(fill in the blank) then I would agree registration is pointless. What if we employed genetic engineering and removed the gun gene from future generations? Would that do? I’m an old Star Trek fan. Always seemed odd that the travelers on the Enterprise did not need money. “Our society has grown beyond the need for what we used to call currancy”…”we have replicators to produce everything we need”. And still, they encountered the need for self defense. The reality is that one will always encounter hostility either as a direct immediate threat to one’s person OR as a more suttle creeping, yet equally dangerous, threat to one’s beliefs. And now you have just reminded me to send my monthly contribution to the NRA’s political action group. THANK GOD FOR THE NRA and Roanoke’s proud son Wayne LaP.

Gee Val, I guess I do scare you.
This should make you happy. We have a senate bill and a HR in congress introduced 7-30 by some of your lib cronies to do the following:
Require a license for all ammunition sellers. That all sales be subject to record keeping. Require all sales of 1000 rounds or more within 5 consecutive days be “reported”. And that a photo ID be required for all “non licensee sales”. This proposal would potentially end most of the reloading trade and potentially eliminate small time operators. It essentially bans all on line or mail order purchases. It would certainly add several thousand government employees to administer, drive prices up and once again, other than those hardships, do NOTHING to curtail crime. Did you know that 22 cal are typically sold in “bricks” of 500 or 550. So if I want to purchase 2 bricks to take advantage of a price break, me and my purchase would be impacted by this regulation. Bunch of dumb asses IMO. BTW, still cannot post links or paste content. The message block which opens says “Message from webpage” and then says copyright protected…OK?

Guess your the web mistress and have limits or “safeguards” in place. Don’t really care as I think I have made all my points and you have made none.

Bubba,

FYI I write for TheRoanokeStar.com weekly newspaper and have been posting articles there for print edition this week. Apologies for not replying to you. I was over extended this week. This same Commentary was in print in The Roanoke Star last week and is also posted there.

If you are on facebook you can see what is going on on the The Roanoke Star page that I keep up too. On twitter I am ValerieInRke and keep up the @RoanokeStarcom too.

That said Bubba I am glad to see some progress on gun registration and tracking. BTW gun purchases since the one gun per month law in VA was repealed has increased 17%. Ship them to NY as Bloomberg feared would happen.

No need for apologies. I know about your “reporting”…actually, you are a very good reported and good writer. I just don’t know about your ability to come to terms with conservative thinking and I’m not sure about you as a creative and original thinker. I expect you follow the party line no matter what. Just wondering. Do you have any personal views which run contrary to traditional liberal thought?

Now, don’t get too “happy” about this new legislative action. We’ll squash it just like we have squashed most all moves by the libs to further restrict gun ownership. Even your boy BO is not willing to take it on now. Of course after the election it will be another matter. People will more clearly see how radical he can get…IF he is re-elected.
Bloomberg is another idiot. Can you really imagine the mayor of new york pushing new mothers to breast feed and forget formlua? Where is your pal Mayor Bowers on this hot political issue? Back to guns. Do a fact check. Cities with the most restrictive gun laws in the US are also cities with the highest crime rates. How can that possible be? If gun controls worked as you suggest, crime in these places should be lower. The fact that they restrict ownership so severly creates the market for others to engage in illegal activity like black marketing weapons. I say go after those who engage in the illegal activity and leave we recreational shooters, sportsmen and women and collectors alone! BTW, I don’t tweet, squeek nor do the facebook thing. Like Betty White said, cannot think of anything that is a bigger waste of time. Also, I did get my monthly contribution off to Mit for prez, the Scott Brown victory fund as well as The NRA’s legislative action arm. I’ll be sending Much more as the election approaches.