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Roanoke Free Press
Monday, January 14, 2013

Panic strikes Roanoke citizens as fiscal cliff looms

Vice Mayor Court Rosen and Mayor David Bowers

Vice Mayor Rosen worries talk of a Roanoke fiscal cliff by Mayor Bowers will scare citizens.

Mayor David Bowers’ comment was a bit of a head-scratcher at last Monday’s joint meeting with the Roanoke City School Board. “I’m becoming concerned that Roanoke’s fiscal cliff is looming just beyond the horizon,” said Bowers.

Bowers claimed that other civic organizations were in the same boat. The fiscal cliff not only pertains to Roanoke’s schools but “other things that we as a council I think are going to be facing.”  He explained that council was going to have to make serious decisions within 12-18 months about the schools, museums (Taubman), the zoo, the performing arts and storm water management regulations.

Bowers feared museums and the zoo would close and funding for community assistance organizations would dry up.”The time is coming when alternatively we can do nothing and in a couple more years they will be bankrupt,” said Bowers. “The clock is ticking on our fiscal cliff. Is this what we’ve come to in Roanoke?”

Vice Mayor Court Rosen took a less amicable tact and directed a barb at Mayor Bowers. “Just to be more blunt and fair I’m not sure where you came up with this notion of Roanoke is facing a fiscal cliff,” said Rosen. Bowers started to explain but Rosen cut him off saying he didn’t want a debate. “I would disagree completely … Roanoke has been proactive.”

Rosen listed the proactive steps Roanoke had taken like funding the reserve at $25 million and reforming the pension system. “I don’t think it’s fair you are scaring the public. Roanoke is on a solid footing.” he said. “I just don’t know where in the world that comes from.”

Later in a phone call Bowers said that “if the Vice Mayor wants to dispute the fact he may do so and should I be wrong and [School Board Chairman] Dave Carson is wrong than OK we are wrong … time will tell if Carson and I are right or Court is right.”

Bowers said his remarks came from a meeting with School Board Chairman David Carson just before Christmas. Bowers looked over documents showing the schools healthy reserve. Carson than went through a laundry list of expenditures that would deplete the reserve in 15 to 18 months.

Over the last month he said he had also been contacted by representatives of arts and culture organizations. “They’ve been struggling so bad some of them are moving into the danger zone,” he said though admitting that they might be exaggerating their dilemma.

The culmination of these interactions brought to mind the term “fiscal cliff” he said. Bowers clarified that the city itself was in good shape but financially flat.

“It is a dereliction of duty if we don’t now relay to the public the concerns of our very reliable superintendent [Rita Bishop] and chairman of the school board. That’s where I take issue with the Vice Mayor,” said Bowers. “Time will tell … do we need to address it now or can we wait another year.”

This is the same point Carson made in May, 2012. The $12 million RCPS has squirreled away came from both the meals tax and stimulus funds. “We are not spending excess but spending down savings,” said Carson at the time.

At the same May meeting with city council Deputy Superintendent Curt Baker said, “It is clear that the Virginia Retirement System is going to be the wild card if it keeps increasing.” The draw down comes to $4 million this year and is a third of our total fund balance Baker explained.

Carson said Monday that RCPS is “deficit spending right now.” He praised city council for the meals tax revenue and the new funding formula that has served as a financial cushion. The state however, is funding the schools at 2005-2006 levels.”All of our issues, financial and otherwise would be taken care of if the state stepped up and did what it needs to do.” said Carson.

The city had “doubled down” when the schools were failing years ago and the risk has paid off in higher graduation rates. “It’s only going to get better,” said Carson. “So there will come a point at which you decide do we double down again – do we not and keep hoping that the state does what it needs to do.”

“The present course of deficit spending cannot continue,” said Carson.

Councilman Ray Ferris made it clear that taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook to fund arts and culture organizations like the Taubman museum. “We absolutely cannot in my mind impose upon the citizens of Roanoke a burden that they didn’t assume.” They are going to have to find their own way he said. “The city has  been very generous in the past … education is going to have to be the priority,” said Ferris. He indicated that the funding formula might have to be adjusted to compensate for any shortfalls.

Last year the state played a shell game. They gave schools more lottery money but the state cut funding to schools by an equal amount said Carson. Additionally the state saddled the school system with the financial burden imposed by the reform of the Virginia Retirement System last year.

Councilman Bill Bestpitch chimed in calling the lottery system “the biggest bamboozle that has ever been perpetrated on the public in the Commonwealth of Virginia … it is an accounting trick.”

Councilman Sherman Lea added that “it seemed when [council] meets with our legislators  – it seems to be a picnic … they need to understand our frustration.” He blamed council as a whole for dancing around the issues when they held their joint legislative sessions.

The state has been shifting its Constitutional responsibility for funding public education to localities while holding them responsible for academic achievement standards. To compensate local governments are faced with increasing taxes or cutting funding to public education and other public services.

If the economy remains stagnant or falls into recession again Roanoke citizens could be looking at higher taxes.

Comments (20)

Bubba Greene

January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 AM    


Funny Funny Funny !!!
Scaring the public is what dems do best. Bowers takes a page right out of the prez’s and the media’s play book.

Val

January 15th, 2013 at 1:47 PM    


I’m building my fallout shelter Bubba. I’m so scared ya know.

It was a very odd exchange that happens more often than not.

I’d note that some are Dems in name only.

susan

January 15th, 2013 at 4:18 PM    


So, does all of the Lottery $$’s go to the schools in VA??? or not???

Bubba Greene

January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 PM    


Hi Val and a belated Happy New Year. I would have sent you a merry Christmas wish but knowing how your side detests any connection to the historical christian past I decided not to offend you. I did send former Mayor Harris a CHRISTMAS GREETING, however. Funny about the bunker. Did you know that there are more high end survival bunkers being built today than at any time in the history of the US, even the cold war days? Several of those darn stinking “rich folks” are even building things which are a cross between a ship and a sea floor bunker, costing millions of dollars. Of course all I got is a hole in the back yard with some boards over it. BUT I do have my guns and plenty of ammo. Say, speaking of guns and ammo, guess you have to be thrilled that Barry is on the verge of an executive order which will void the 2nd. Sure which maybe Bush would have done something like that with the press back in ’01. It may have resulted in some OBJECTIVE reporting by the media rather than the white wash job we get all the time. BTW, I have an interesting discussion with a very learned scholar this past weekend who pointed out how little the founding fathers knew about “world religions” as we have come to know them today. Adams, apparently, was the only one to have a clue about Mohammadans, as they were called then. With the obvious view that a society needed religion to guide values and the belief that religion was required to keep mans vices in check AND that moral values provide more order to a society than laws, I think Bush should have made some changes to that part of the Bill O’ Rights as well.

Val

January 15th, 2013 at 9:10 PM    


Good for POTUS, Bubba. The “do nothing” Congress is worthless. We are having a huge debate on facebook right now.

I was sick over the holidays and a kind word from you would have been welcome.

Christmas was great seeing my children here but was tempered by the respiratory infection. Wondering when it will go away completely.

Interesting and not surprising about the lack of knowledge of other religions by our forefathers. Not everyone needs help knowing right from wrong and needs the crutch of a deity and a book.

Those that rely on this are of weak moral character to begin with and need something to cling to like kids and Santa Claus.

Val

January 15th, 2013 at 9:18 PM    


Susan, lottery money goes (not all of it) to the state’s general fund.

The state draws the same percentage from the general fund for schools that they always do which is 55%. That is SUPPORT of mandates ONLY (SOQs) so it is in total not near 55% of the general fund. Of course we know they are diverting those funds including pension funds to transportation and to just balance the budget.

The state than siphons money off of that with requiring localities to match VRS as of last year and it put them in the hole actually. It is a shell game.

The Governor wants more money for charter schools and to also take away the authority of local school boards approval for them. The Board of Education would be the “decider” and school boards everywhere would have no say.

Hope this makes sense. It’s complicated.

Bubba Greene

January 16th, 2013 at 9:03 AM    


But Val, you have your deity and he IS defining right and wrong for you. And me too except I reject him and his definitions. You are really showing a lack of gray matter. Weak moral character is a contridiction in terms running opposite to your apparent sentiment.

Bubba Greene

January 17th, 2013 at 8:13 PM    


Hey Val, just wondering about something. Given the size of the universe/galaxy/ outer space and points billions of light years away, do you think there is even a remote possibility of life out there and if so would you speculate on that life form as being superior, inferior or about the same as humans?

Val

January 18th, 2013 at 12:16 AM    


Good golly Bubba I have no idea. It depends on so many variables not the least of which is the planet comparable to ours to support life as we know it.

Have you be abducted lately? Is the mother ship calling you home? I just picking at you. Hope you have a sense of humor.

Bubba Greene

January 18th, 2013 at 9:18 AM    


HAHAHAHAHA! Yes, I do have a funny bone.
But seriously, I was recently looking at some deep space photos from the Hubble telescope. When you stop for a moment and consider the size and depth of space it is simply just beyond comprehension and I was just wondering if you or anyone could even try to consider the possibilities that with endless solar systems and planets and such could there be life out there somewhere. As I recall throughout time scholars appear to believe there is. I think Stephen Hawking recently affirmed his view that life does exist beyond our planet. So whaddaya think?

Val

January 20th, 2013 at 2:56 AM    


Sorry I’m late getting back to you. Well other than trying to get through this life on earth and not thinking much at my age about life elsewhere yes I think it is possible.

If there is life superior to us out there they would have found us. So I think the life out there at best is in amoeba form.

Bubba Greene

January 20th, 2013 at 9:30 AM    


Val, you need to google around and look at some of those deep space images from the Hubble. The vastness of what’s out there and the distances mean that the odds of “someone finding us” is slim IMO PLUS if there is life out there no one would guarantee that it is superior to humans. Combine that with the time factor such as how old is it all, so if you believe single celled life does exist then that suggests evolution might have happened elsewhere also. Another side question is this. Are we still evolving OR have we stopped and are swinging into degeneration. I read a good scientific article which offered the belive that mentally, humans are moving in the wrong direction. HUMMMMM? Now I do agree with that.

Manni T

January 20th, 2013 at 10:52 PM    


Bubba & Val. You two should get a room instead of flirting on comment sections. Weird

Bubba Greene

January 21st, 2013 at 1:03 PM    


Funny Manni but she is W A Y too old for me! But besides that, when and if she responds to my last question you will get “the rest of the story”.

Val

January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 PM    


Bubba I’ve been swamped.

“Another side question is this. Are we still evolving OR have we stopped and are swinging into degeneration. I read a good scientific article which offered the believe that mentally, humans are moving in the wrong direction. HUMMMMM? Now I do agree with that.”

I am fascinated by the universe. I was into astronomy and member of an astronomy club when growing up. I had my own telescope. I am optimistic for the human race but it is slow going especially when you come in contact with those that you are sure “are regressing.”

Overcoming our prejudices has been a long hard slog in our evolution cycle.

Bubba Greene

January 21st, 2013 at 10:13 PM    


Well Val, you did not exactly provide the response I was referring to but let me go on and show my cards none the less. I tend to feel you think some form of life MIGHT exist out there in that vast place we call “space.” But there is really not a shread of scientific evidence that support it, still you believe it could be factual. And probably even if it is one celled life, it has either in the past or in the future, had or will have time to evolve into a higher life form. Maybe superior to humans, maybe not. Now, underscore the point, NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE, just a notion or belief that it MAY BE.

Now here is the odd part. The same brain that evaluates that (above) possibility will look at the possibility of the existance of a diety and reject it based on the fact that there is no scientific evidence that supports it. So we use the exact same brain to evaluate something that is void of any scientific support one way or the other and yet we tend to accept one notion yet reject the other. Odd, don’t you think?

Val

January 21st, 2013 at 10:47 PM    


It has been proven that life is possible on earth. Scientifically we know what supports life. That is what makes the possibility of some form of life on another planet. We are proof it is possible.

There is no proof of a deity anywhere to say that there is a deity somewhere.

Bubba Greene

January 22nd, 2013 at 8:28 AM    


Sorry Val, you are wrong. Scientifically we know what supports life ON EARTH. We know nothing of what may support it elsewhere. The question is not life elswhere as on earth, but simply life, in any form and essentially NOT as we know it. I’m a little disappointed in you but not really surprised.

Val

January 25th, 2013 at 8:57 PM    


I saw the movie the Blob too. Good scary fictitious movie. You watch too many B rated science fiction movies, Bubba.

Bubba Greene

January 26th, 2013 at 9:57 AM    


Gee Val, It took you three days to come up with that! But down deep you know I’m right. I’m not saying there IS life elsewhere nor that there IS a diety. I just point out that in the course of examination of the questions the same brain which takes the absence of evidence of one thereby rejecting it will also take the absence of evidence for the other and yet accept it. It is fundamentally illogical. Live long and prosper Y

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